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Esther Berry's avatar

I've noticed a lot of gender tribalism lately where traditional-identifying men seem inclined to defend the premise that "men are basically good" instead of taking the truly traditional view, namely, "other men are frequently scoundrels but I'm prepared to beat them up". This is the necessary corrective

Liam's avatar

The equivocation of "Cheating on girlfriend" with "Abusing wife" just goes to show how little you know about really anything resembling traditional sexual norms. Your view of "countless generations in agrarian societies" is informed by Hollywood tropes. In most societies, there was no such thing as "cheating on your girlfriend". There was barely even such thing as a "girlfriend". Vows of loyalty were made on the day of your wedding, and adultery was wrong for the same reason breaking any oath is wrong.

What would you do if WBE showed up in Wisconsin, and turned out to be twice your size? Still feel like beating him up? What if WBE was WGE, who went around cheating on her boyfriends? Would you beat her up? Go read what they actually do in honor-based societies. Go read what they do in Afghanistan when their daughter gets raped. You want an honor-based society where men get punished for being unfaithful, but this sort of society comes in tandem with authoritarian control of women by their fathers and husbands and to a lesser extent the state. Do you know what fathers did to men who impregnated their daughters, consensual or non-consensual, before marriage? They didn't kill them, they forced these men to marry their daughter. They didn't necessarily do it with their own strength, either. That's why it had to be codified into law in most of the ancient world. If women would like sexual liberation, then it is their responsibility to assess potential mates rather than their fathers and brothers.

You don't have to make it about "justice". You find WBE annoying and undeserving of female attention, especially compared to yourself, I get it. Sitting around in your room imagining beating up the guy isn't very productive.

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